Jan 202012
Meetup.com member in-processing LR7MI8, Universal Rules & Guidelines for Meetup.com L2PFGY LR7MKT Add comments
LY4JM7:our group’s standard for the main picture on every member’s group profile http://1.JotHere.com/9va http://1.JotHere.com.767#LY4JM7
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LY4JPG: Our Group Standard
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LY4L2J: main-pic criteria: at all times, every member of our group must have a “good” main picture on his/her group profile, meaning, from most-crucial, specifically a picture:
- M4RCO3: such as these
- LY4LLS:where most anyone can link the person in-person with their profile
- MBSKEV:Specifically link in both directions:
- LY4LNN:spot that person in-person after seeing this picture
- LY4Q34:as for instance, Meetup is about meeting-up and to meet-up one must be able to spot the other people
- LY4LTL:spot that person’s group profile after seeing that person in-person
- LY4Q3Q:as for instance, on Meetup and more, once you in-person meet an interesting person, you then quite appropriately want to read his-or-her profile to learn more about him-or-her
- LY4LNN:spot that person in-person after seeing this picture
- MBSKYN:Why?
- MBSL4O:Allows attendees to dramatically connect more after the in-person events, as then after the event & even during it, they can then easily look up, learn considerably more about, and contact & build-links-with the other people they met at meetings.
- MBSNN1:Dramatically better visualizes the event & group online (including tremendous for marketing), by making the online real, by, online, seeing everyone’s picture.
- MBSNTO:Enables attendance & membership to be tracked & regulated, ideally for good causes.
- MBSLGT:Allows attendance to be tracked & realistically reported, key for ideally-everyone tracking the performance of the events, the group, and of each member.
- MBSKZX:Enables membership to mean something, notably be kept to those who overall contribute.
- MBSLJ9:Helps avoid the few persons aiming to do bad things, specifically the few persons NOT actually up to doing overall good
- MBSL3K:Including otherwise a person not allowed in the group (notably someone who won’t stop doing overall damage to the group) can’t be well-known not to be allowed as there is no IDing picture of him/her, so s/he can simply rejoin under another picture
- MBSLWY:Note that different leaders will be present at different events and at some events, no leaders. And most events do not require & check a photo ID (carried by the person) to track by the name on the photo ID. So the only way to inform everyone of a member is thru an IDing picture on the person’s profile.
- MBSKEV:Specifically link in both directions:
- LY4MJ8:(so) which clearly IDs the person, so similar to the photo of a driver’s license or passport or other governmental photo ID, BUT where one can have a little more flexibility & fun within these constraints:
- M7YO5F:which is (of course) of the person, not something/someone else.
- LY4KV4: which fills the space provided for a main picture and without enlarging it to where grain/pixelation can be seen.
- LY4K4U:which is a real unaltered photograph of the person for at least the face & hair-around-head.
- MBY9K9:so there NOT a sketch
- MBY9MF:so there NOT a silhouette
- MBYWCK:so there NOT a photographic variation (besides red-eye removal) even if mild
- MBY9KT:so there NOT a cartoon including cartoon-version
- LY4KE6:which is just of that person (plus optionally other life-forms provided all viewers know they couldn’t possibly be members)
- MFVNGE:For most properly non-discriminating groups, the only life-forms who couldn’t possibly be members are babies and non-human creatures (as say plants & pets), though if being completely non-discriminating, they should be considered possible members, too.
- M6SV1K:so NOT:
as that shows 2 possible members (so which one is the member?) - MFVM05:Why? Insures there’s absolutely no question, including no research required, about which life form in the picture is being referred to
- MFVM27:even if there’s nothing displayed but the member picture
- MFVMHL: as happens for the YES RSVPs on every event displayed on every Meetup group’s home page, as on http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/#upcoming
- MFVMEL:even when the member name is displayed with the pic, but nothing else from the member’s profiles
- MFVMEU: –as happens on Meetup on every event page: all the RSVPs–
- MFVMLJ:BUT the member name doesn’t clearly enough say which of the 2+ people in the pic is being referred to, which would unfairly happen for:
- MFVM27:even if there’s nothing displayed but the member picture
- MFVFFS:Want to show off your romance or friends? Please do those, too — the right way!
- LY4KAB:which is a “closeup of the person”, meaning the picture frame is filled by the person’s face else face+chest
- M5H8R8:so NOT
as face else face+chest doesn’t fill frame. - MFVH45:This is crucial for quickly seeing & identifying by face all attending, including quickly assessing if everyone’s there & who’s missing.
- MFVH72:Don’t get us wrong: We also love additional images showing the rest of one’s body besides head & face; please do those, too– the right way!
- M5H8R8:so NOT
- LY4MRD:which shows the person’s face clearly & accurately& fully (including all sides), including:
- M7YLCB:where no portion of the face is covered-or-unclear except:
(as minimally required for verifiable medical reasons) or (as naturally covered by hair except that required-visible-below). Thus:- M7YLH4:Clear glasses with frames no thicker than 1/5th inch are allowed iff medically required.
- M7YM8M:Real example: M4RCP6
- M7YLKP:A small eye-patch or closed-eye is allowed over an eye iff that eye is entirely non-functional.
- M7YLNN:Bandage(s) are allowed but only over the minimal area really requiring a bandage for healing.
- LY4NBZ:which fully-shows every operational-eye fully-open
- M7YM5Z:Also implies LY4K6A
- MFVO9Y:shown are both eyes (& open if functional) and plus both (left & right) sides of face
- M7YLH4:Clear glasses with frames no thicker than 1/5th inch are allowed iff medically required.
- LY4K7I:which fully shows the person’s hair-around-the-head, eye-brows, nose, and mouth.
- LY4NGY:which fully shows at least 1 ear except as naturally covered by hair
- M7YLCB:where no portion of the face is covered-or-unclear except:
- M7YNB9:which is ideally in color (so a black-and-white picture is acceptable but not preferred)
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MFV8Y8:NOTE every member DOES have the option, and is encouraged to, have on his/her profile unlimited additional non-main images (of him/herself and/or other related people & things)
- MFV94I:So if you’ve got such image(s) which are good but don’t meet the main-pic criteria, no problem: please keep them, ideally of them, on your profile as your additional, non-main images.
- MFV9HH: Indeed we’d prefer you’d never remove your or any images from your profile or the website, unless you put them there AND so far they’ve only been seen by you, or unless they violate a site or group rule or other limited exceptions.
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LYI4XW: NOTE on the group website including profile, every member DOES have the option of giving just his/her first name else handle/stage-name/pseudonym, and NOT give his/her actual & full name, especially if privacy is a concern
- LYI53O: –because full & real/legal names are NOT necessary for persons to find each other & have a good & productive time and at least start most any important relationship.
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MFVAPQ:Doing this is strongly encouraged if would then enable to the member to better participate and speak more candidly, something especially key for controversial & personal subjects.
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LYI51L:This well-protects the member’s privacy,
- MFVCBC:especially from the person being found/correlated by text search engines (searching for other names the person uses, as legal names)
- LYI57P: for public web image searching engines that match another image by image not text
- LYI59Z: admittedly the main-pic criteria does not protect this privacy
- LYI5B1: however such search engines are not main-stream and may not index most of the web pictures including I heard the one Google developed Google tabled because it compromised user privacy too much.
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MFVB4Z:And with regards to insuring one’s privacy on Meetup.com in particular:
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MFVDZD:regarding user/account name
- MFVB9W: using just first-name else a pseudonym is & always-has-been the practice for many users
- MFVBB8: signup used to ask for your “Real name” but now appropriately only asks for your “name”.
- MFVBCR:a user can freely change his/her name at any time. However,
- MFVBI0:a user doing this should & is rare.
- MFVBJU:legitimate motives are:
- MFVBKH:to go from your legal name or business name to just-first-name else your pseudonym in order to share & participate & speak-on more things.
- MFVBPQ:to go from your pseudonym to your business name or (do with caution) legal name as because even your controversial things you are happy (& hopefully not crazily) comfortable to share under those names.
- MFVBRH:to change a name because you realize the name itself gives destructive suggestions.
- MFVBXW:NOT to hide your generally-accurate reputation established under one’s existing name.
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MFVBEE:Having multiple accounts is allowed and is occasionally done
- MFVCJS:for privacy: allows say one account for business, one account for personal, and one account for controversial.
- MFVF0U:(and for massive, easily excessive, leadership, as a single account can only head max 3 groups)
- MFVCK2:A reasonable amount of work & trickiness to maintain.
- MFVEA9:including some groups & events may cross over into multiple worlds so then tricky to share.
- MFVEB5:including I had the plan to have potentially controversial personal profile link to my non-controversial business profile (and not the reverse), but that then still gave two profiles to have to read & maintain.
- MFVCL9:Since I’m involved in some unfortunately controversial groups (the groups being socially pioneering), tried doing this: creating a subsequent business account for my business groups, separate from my personal account. but decided it this best for me: it was easier & more powerful & more open to just to have one account and reveal my personal life within my business life when people cared to explore & know; this also resorted in good advertising for my personal life to make what shouldn’t be controversial less so. However, I’m in the small business world and not presently soliciting new clients/employers.
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MFVCPM:Making all one’s groups and/or interests hidden/private
- MFVD2J:is typically done by:
- MFVDTD:bad-doers (as people trying to cheat on their romances especially spouses sex offenders, criminals, others commonly finding themselves doing bad to others & trying escape the blame)
- MFVDTR:and/or those not knowing there are better ways (as using a pseudonym and, if still necessary, multiple accounts)
- MFVD6G:is allowed by Meetup.com BUT is not the-default and NOT recommended indeed seemingly should NOT be allowed
- MFVCQX: as it completely prevents most everyone from seeing the other groups & interests a person is involved in, dramatically reducing how much can be known about the person, typically
- MFVD2J:is typically done by:
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LY4NMZ: Like most rules of the group, if ever a profile does not meet any of this criteria, the profile (person):
- LY4NP3: is not to be allowed to join the group
- LY4NPT: (if already a member), is to be given 7 days to correct the situation afterbeing given polite public written notice (usually a posted greet) of:
- LY4O4P: Aside: by merely having leaders do these 2 simple enforcements, I have been able to bring this desired photo compliance up from ~70% (C grade) to to near 100% (A+ grade) and raised good membership experience considerably –for OCAndroid; and it would seemingly work for most any group.
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LY4LHX: Some additional background
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LY4LJP: Most every group & website and its members love having members profiles, and members, with pictures up to this standard.
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LY4LUZ: From my experience in processing 100s of Meetup group membership applications in various groups, this works well for ~80% applicants
- LY4MDL: A 50% of people on the technical groups, and ~70% on the non-controversial social groups, seem to follow & do this merely by the website asking to ~”provide a picture of yourself”, probably because they intuitively get these needs & appreciate them;
- LY4MDR: For the remainder,
- MFVFPB:The persons who don’t comply
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LY4LHF: Additional History of this Document, in order
- LY4JSA: Prior, for this answer, there was not enough space nor area for formatting, where it was at http://2.loverules.info/422#LR4J71
- LY4JXJ: “Version 2.0″ So now moved it here, creating this post http://2.loverules.info/767 LY4JM7
- M4RC1C: Updated to the formatting standards of http://1.JotHere.com/3214#M4PL3U version M4PLUL.
- M4RCMH: Start adding good & bad example pics.
- M5H9CW: Added counter-example pic M5H8R8
- M6SVCD:Added counter-example pic M6SV1K
- M7YN3W:Added constraint M7YLCB; added constraint to LY4K7I
- M7YOL0:Resort criteria list from largest to smallest detail roughly
- M7YOL3:Cut M4RDIW as it violates multiple criteria: M4RDIW:

- M7YPCO:Made LY4NGY more flexible to “at least 1 ear” as that was fine (plus if not, then my own pic
would be in violation!) - M7YPYD:Make sure for every violation seen on at least page 1 of http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/?op=pending, an example picture is given here.
- M7YQ6K:Update heading to present titling standard.
- M7YQK2:Fixed boarder M7YNZH so displays on black; sized down the many neg-example pics for readability.
- MBSKG0:Responding to James comment: notably adding MBSKYN.
- MBYABM:LY4K4U: broke into subsections, notably to add example MBY9R4.
- MBYWOU:MBYWEP & it’s parent (situation): added.
- MFV9NF:Auto-edits done by latest WordPress 3.5 editor: mostly corrupting <a id=”x”></a> which is presently not-undoable.
- MFV9UI:Preping for reply Greet MFTDRH to Brady, extended violating point LY4KE6 including adding section “Please do those, too — the right way!”; extended LYI4XW about 3x more; added MFVO9Y; possibly other small improvements; 2012.12.30Sun2132.











What to do when a person’s profile is not to standard –so is/would prevent them from being part of the group
Someone (typically a leader) posts 1 to 2 Greets on their profile alerting & warning them until no more real effort by the person to get the profile up to standard, which time the profile is removed from the group (if already in) and no more effort is placed into him/her.
*Typically one copies the last such Greet done (which is a good example), then pastes it as the new Greet except first changes the text to fit.
*Naturally the alerts must cite:
**a URL to the exact rules being violated
**if a group removal would result if not fixed, the time the profile has to be corrected.
MFR8KO: Update on “a URL to the exact rules being violated” should be “URL to to the general rule being violated (as this pic policy)” and, if extra effort is worth it, to the specific rules violated.
MFR8H8: it seems counterproductive to put extra effort (as to specify the exact violation(s) instead of the general ones) until it’s clear the person will be likely be reading & following this.
MFR8LB: when the person is unknown, as typically when when applying to join the group, there is a very good chance they won’t be correcting his/her profile if they didn’t follow instructions in the 1st place.
–when they are applying to join the group
See real “Jun 13, 2012 1:43 AM” Greet found on http://meetup.com/members/48003222
See real “Jun 13, 2012 1:59 AM” Greet found on http://meetup.com/members/10699333/
MFR9P1: Greet (template example): Sebastian, “MFPKWP: Thx4 applying 2our http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid ,OC’s Largest&Oldest Android Community Grp! I’m trying2get u in4our upcoming mtgs including 1 TONITE@6pm,&ur profile loo1ks good except last Q says“Does your group-profile’s main/featured picture meet standard http://1.JotHere.com/9va ? –required..” but ur pic doesn’t (& w/many wanting2join our grp, apps not 2standard cause notable delay). Pls fix@ http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid/join then msg us(&Qs) via the grp “Contact” link. Thx!”
MFR9K4: *as used on http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/72970922 (Larry’s profile), archive as to see versions, real Greet “Dec 27, 2012 4:57 PM” and subsequent, where you can see it worked!
MFR9K7: *There is a typo in this Greet (“loo1ks” should be “looks”) so a improved greet should be used instead.
MFRC6H: This Greet I modeled after my “Dec 27, 2012 1:24 AM” Greet to Moe in response to his violation of posting direct contacts, which worked
MFR9KG: *When does the Greet work?
MFR9L5: **Yesterday I 1st created & sent this greet to all the most recent of http://www.meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/?op=pending where it applied
MFRBEW: ***Were it applied was ~85% of them (so widely); the next largest group were those who messed up their pic and their other survey Qs as http://www.meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/35864022/
MFRBDM: ***to ~45 applicants, ranging from applying 2.5hrs ago to “Last visited over ten months ago”
MFRBMU: ***So far (~20hrs later) the only one to reply is the example here MFR9K4; why?
MFREEC: ****Likely this greet has to be sent fairly quick after application to work
MFRBQD: *****The Greet that worked, MFR9K4, was sent just 2.5 hours after 1st application (2:30 PM) plus (I will ask) he may have been applying that day already to get into the 6pm meeting.
MFRC4Q: *****Similar situation MFRC6H also worked where I sent the Greet 2.3 days after apply
MFREI6: *****In all other cases, where it didn’t work, the person had applied “Dec 21 (7 days ago)” from email (that URL doesn’t say but says roughly with “Last visited a week ago” to “Last visited over ten months ago”
MFREJ8: *****This suggests that, for this Greet to work, it must be sent no later than (between 2.3 to 7 days) after initial application
MFREN0: *****This is possible, indeed possible in 1 business day, because this Greet, unlike a more custom Greet, requires little special thought.
And the applicant also has some incomplete profile Q(s) (besides “Does your group-profile’s main/featured picture meet standard http://1.JotHere.com/9va ? –required..”)
MFSAZG: Form response (via real example): Elizabeth,“MFS96Y: Thx4 applying4 http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid ,OC’s Largest&Oldest Android Community Grp! I’m trying2get u in4our upcoming mtgs but we need ur profile answers to be complete (&including how u found us,&why u want to join) and (last Q) “your group-profile’s main/featured picture meet standard http://1.JotHere.com/9va ”. With many wanting2join our grp,apps not 2standard cause notable delay. Pls fix@ http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid/join then msg us(&Qs) via our grp “Contact” link. Thx!”
MFSB0W: *This I modeled after MFPKWP
MFSB30: *In the last hour, I created this and just 1st used on the 6 cases I found from the last 10 months of http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/?op=pending
MFSB50: **Specifically on http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/34748112 Elizabeth, http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/9275145 Umair Mufti, http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/35864022 Alagesh, http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/62802492 Bassam Fageer, http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/43373032 Arpad M, http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/31137942 _(apparently formerly Jessie after Christian)
MFSBON:**No responses so far, but too soon to really test.
MFT85W: When the pic is to standard but something unrelated is wrong
MFT869: *this doesn’t belong on this page strictly speaking, but since it’s relatively few cases (at least on tasks so far, http://www.meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/?op=pending ), I’m starting by including it here.
MFT89H: when direct contacts (as phone number and/or email address) are included but not allowed
MFT8FZ: a solution (not templated but real) is “Dec 27, 2012 1:24 AM” Greet to Moe http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/12468690 (in response to his violation of posting direct contacts) quote(Moe, thx4applying4 http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid , OC’s Largest&Oldest Android Community Group. I’m tryin2 get u accepted in time to attend today’s 6pm mtg http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/events/93… &ur profile looks good except (1) includes ur email addr violating “Read more about us” “LTECMG=No posting direct contacts..”, &(2) “Introduction” needs answer (besides ur name) (introduce u, as tell us how u found us &why u want2join). Simply goto http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid/join &fix then msg me.)
MFT8GF: *this was one of my recent solutions (and prior solutions by me are few & ungathered)
MFRE6S: *That Greet (sent 2.3 days after he applied “Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 6:00 PM”) worked: he promptly fixed & messaged me.
MFT8WL: a solution
MFT8WV: I developed now based on the prior solution MFT8FZ.
1st used at http://www.meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/52193952/ Syam Sukumaran
http://www.meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/42330472/ Chris Walery
http://www.meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/35680782/ Andy Nguyen & before -not yet searched; gone past
http://www.meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/15418501 Jacob Wolf applied ” January 9, 2012″
(UNDER CONSTRUCTION)
MFTDP5: Real example:Serge, “MFTDRH: Thx4 applying2[& recently visiting] http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid ,OC’s Largest&Oldest Android Community Grp! I’m trying2get u in in time 4our upcoming mtgs,&ur profile looks good except last Q says“Does your group-profile’s main/featured picture meet standard http://1.JotHere.com/9va ? –required..” but ur pic doesn’t (& w/many wanting2join our grp, apps not 2standard cause notable delay). Pls fix@ http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid/join then msg us(&Qs) via our grp “Contact” link. Thx!” 1st used at http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/14146416 Serge aka Broadcastic.
MFTEOB: **I modeled this by merging MFPKWP with small updates from MFS96Y
MFTH7R: When the person answers the pic Q with some reasonable argument, I followup with an additional custom response.
MFTH80: *Example: http://meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/17113711/ London, where I just replied quote(
+To our pic Q,u answer:
*”This website appears extremely creepy so I dont feel comfortable with handing out my personal email address” -How&why?! &We didn’t yet ask ur email. &U r 1st to say those things,of~200 ppl.
*”requiring a photo ..I believe is completely unnecessary” -then how u address that pg telling why it’s done http://1.JotHere.com/767#MBSKYN ?
*”Giving up control over my online identity.” -1 doesn’t, per http://1.JotHere.com/767#LYI4XW -how u address that?
-click “Contact” us.
Dec 29, 2012 3:57 PM)
James Hegi put on his OCAndroid application profile http://www.meetup.com/OCAndroid/members/62529782/ the following answer to the Q for this,
(under construction)
*On http://Meetup.com/OCAndroid we’ve processed ~150 using this question, and
*Ur reply is the rudest, by a notable margin, of anyone we’ve ever seen; yes, you do have some good feedback, but it is rudely phrased. I recommend removing the rudeness as it would not reflect well on you nor anyone.
*”how do I know… who would actually read all of those rules”
**You know like most everyone else has known, by just reading the rules. The rules are carefully written in newsprint style so just have to read a few sentences to get two example pictures, which enough for most people to get the idea. If you want to vary from those examples, then you can keep reading. The rules are just as about as concise as they could be given the fact that it’s apparently not obvious to a few what an ID picture looks like & needs and a few will try to push the envelope.
**”